Why The Web Video Won.


For today’s blog I decided to tackle a subject that I think about pretty often: the web video. More specifically, the web video as a form of advertising and how it compares to traditional forms of advertising like magazine ads or web banners. Walk with me…

Imagine that 3 years ago Leigh Ramsdell had made a post on a BMX messageboard saying that he was planning a trip. The plan was to fly out 3 riders as well as a professional filmer and film a web video to use to promote Eastern. What would people have said? First off they probably wouldn’t believe him because that idea would have seemed so outlandishly expensive on the surface. All that money on flights and such just to make a stupid web video? I probably would have agreed too.

But, to quote The Clipse… “Cot Damn, it’s a new day!” The web video no longer toils in obscurity, if anything I might argue that it is a more powerful force than magazines or DVDs ever used to be. But more importantly from the perspective of a company owner, web videos are a form of advertising like BMX has never seen before. They are cheap to produce, they last forever and most importantly are capable of creating a lasting impression on the viewer.

But before I explain how the web video fares as a form of promotion, I think it’s important that I provide a fair analysis of 2 other, more traditional forms of advertising in BMX; the magazine and the web ad.

Magazine ads used to be the only option in BMX. Every company who had any hope of ever amounting to anything was forced to advertise in at least one, if not all of the BMX magazines. When S&M and Ride had a temporary beef over Moeller jacking Ride’s logo for a hat design, what did he do? He pulled S&M’s ads from Ride. And it was a big deal! Now there are lots of companies who don’t advertise in print at all, not because they have problems with the magazines necessarily, but because they just don’t think it’s cost effective. The problem with magazines… they are expensive. They are expensive to produce (writers, photographers, designers, paper, office space, plane tickets etc.) and consequently companies are typically charged a couple thousand dollars for a full page ad.

On the other hand, magazine ads are powerful. They are large and in your face and provide a great platform for a company to establish an identity for their brand. Everyone reading this can probably remember a magazine ad that had a big effect on them. Remember the Schwinn poster with the sequence of Van manualing that rail in Philly? It might not have made me trade in my Volume for a Schwinn but it definitely hung on my wall for a few years. The other good thing about magazine ads is that they stick around forever, so if I pick up an issue of Dig from 1998 the Terrible One ad on the inside cover is still there… quite different from a web ad.

The web ad is better than a print ad in some ways, but also worse in other ways. Why is it better? Well first off, web ads are cheap. For the same amount of money a company might pay to buy a 1 page ad in Ride, they could buy a shitload of ads on The Come Up, Defgrip and Vital and still have money left over to go to Chipotle every day for the next 2 or 3 months.

The web ad is also very powerful in that it attacks with brute force. The Come Up gets almost 3 million page views a month. As a company, if your new frame shows up on even 1/10th of those page views, that’s is huge. The fact that thousands of kids will see your product over and over over the course of a month is almost certain to have a positive effect on your sales.

But on the negative side, web ads simply lack the punch that magazine ads provide. Magazine ads are great because they are big and there’s a lot of room for a great action shot, a big ass logo and some information about the company or product. With a web ad it’s difficult to include all that information in one ad, so you’ve got to try and make your ad as powerful as possible and hope that it either has an impact on it’s own or that kids will click through often and spend some time on your site. Has there ever been a web ad as powerful as the Van Homan Schwinn poster? Fuck no. Could there be? Maybe, but we’re not quite there yet.

The other negative about web ads is that they only exist for the time period in which you’ve paid for them. While a magazine might not get looked at too much after the first month or two of it’s release, it’s still there and the ads inside will still be viewed from time to time. The instant a company stops paying for ads on The Come Up, I take their ads down and it’s as if they were never there.

Back to the web video… my initial thoughts when I first heard about Eastern doing their “Inside Out” series was that it was a very expensive form of advertising. But is it really? Here’s my rough breakdown of how much it probably cost to film an episode of Inside Out:

First you have to fly 3 riders out. A plane ticket probably averages around 300 dollars each, so that’s 900 dollars to start. But they also flew out a filmer and Leigh himself to manage the whole thing, so that’s another 600. Hotels probably weren’t an issue since they could just sleep at the team member they were visting’s house. Then there’s food money. For a 3 day trip, the 4 riders, Leigh and the filmer all might get 100 bucks each, so there’s another 600. Then you have to actually pay the filmer for his time. I know of another well known filmer who typically gets 150 bucks a day, so the filmer on one of the Eastern trips might have got just about the same, that’s another 450. That’s just about 2500 bucks right there, and I assume you’ve got to pay the filmer more money to edit the whole thing, so it’s probably a safe assumption that the whole project cost Eastern a little less than 3000 dollars (my numbers might be totally out of wack here but I’m reasonably sure they are pretty close to correct).

A 3000 dollar web video sounds excessive. And in comparison to most web videos, which cost close to zero dollars to produce, it certainly is expensive. But look what Eastern gets as a result: First there’s the initial blast of publicity… the video shows up on the main page of The Come Up and every other BMX site and immediately gets around 10,000 Vimeo views in a day. That’s a lot, but it understates the importance of what they have produced. The Eastern videos actually show a lot of personality from all their riders, they give a feel for what the riders are like and that’s invaluable to a company trying to build a more powerful brand.

The 10,000 Vimeo views is just the start though, most of the Inside Out videos have almost 30,000 views and continue to get 50-60 views a day. A typical argument against web videos is that they show up on The Come Up, get viewed a bunch of times and then are forgotten about, but 60 views on Vimeo a day is a ton for a video that Eastern put online 6 months ago. The old “web videos get forgotten about right away” argument just doesn’t hold up when you’re talking about a high quality video that is promoted properly. Do you think the average magazine ad from 6 months ago gets viewed 60 times a day? Probably but I doubt it is doing as much for the advertiser as Eastern’s videos are.

Oh and one final thing… if Eastern are smart they will probably stick all of the Inside Out videos onto a free DVD and send them out to stores that carry their products. The old foagies that run bike shops are less likely to watch web videos on The Come Up, but having the video playing in shops would be helpful. Just the other day 4Down posted that they are doing something similar.

As you can see, a company like Eastern can pretty easily side-step traditional media outlets to promote their brand. The web video isn’t perfect… if Eastern really wanted to get the word out about a spesific new frame, these web videos wouldn’t get the job done. But in a more general sense, the videos do a great job of promoting Eastern. The web video isn’t going anywhere in the foreseeable future and as magazines become less and less relevant, expect to see more and more companies start producing their own high quality original videos.

Agree? Disagree? Think I totally fucked this blog up? Let me know in the comments.

  • http://irminus.blogspot.com/ Gabe

    thats a great topic, gotta love the internet

  • anonymous

    pros still hate web videos and want to make parts that go on DVDs, don’t even try to argue it! your boy eddie cleveland even agrees, therefore you will probably agree soon too.

  • Wild Killiams AKA BitchinCamaro

    anybody with common sense knows all of this

  • adam

    From a pro’s perspective, that makes sense. JJ’s Mongoose contract says that he needs to film 10 web videos a year which is a lot of work compared to the old days of a pro filming 1 or 2 video parts a year. And it makes sense that a pro would rather film 1 part that he is really happy with in a year instead of 10 mediocre web videos. But from the sponsor’s perspective, they would probably rather have 10 decent web videos than one great video. Guys like Eddie, Burns and Chase Hawk who have said that they don’t like web videos in interviews are all older pro’s that were around before web videos existed, so it makes sense to me that they feel that way. Most of the dudes that have went pro over the last 2 years dont’ feel the same way, all you’ve got to do is look at kids like Jake Seeley and Josh Betley who went pro largely BECAUSE of web videos to see that.

  • http://scituatebmx.blogspot.com I Like Bikes

    i remember reading in Ride US a few months ago a caption of Flip at Albe’s doing a nosepick on a wall, and he said “i sent in a riding picture to show we aren’t just fucks taking money from BMX.” Some companies aren’t worried about how much money they’re losing or making, it’s about just having fun. there are the companies like FBM that show frame pics every other day, and i think it’s awesome to see the processes that they go through to make a frame. I have no idea where i want to go with this conversation.

  • http://scituatebmx.blogspot.com I Like Bikes

    bitchin camaro, you are really an idiot. i didn’t know any of this, and i know i have a hell of a lot of common sense because i haven’t gotten raped in the ghetto. tell me, how did you know eastern spends about 3000 bucks on one trip?

  • adam

    For the record, I don’t actually know that for a fact, it’s just the amount that makes sense if you take into account the average cost of flights, per diem, etc.

  • Wild Killiams AKA BitchinCamaro

    sorry, i mean anyone with common sense of business

  • Wild Killiams

    and notice adam states, “thats just the amount that makes sense”. hence, he used common sense!

  • jimbo

    good blog posts adam, intresting food for thought x

  • Andy

    What is the biggest problem though with webvideos is that it is nearly impossible to track conversions from views. By conversions I mean how many people purchase a frame or a tshirt after having watched the video. With a half dozen or so web videos released each day it makes it easy to lose amongst the other videos. what has yet to develop from bmx web videos is a means of tracking who is buying what and for what reason. What is likely to happen and surprising that this site has not taken a greater move towards is something called social media promotion. Chris Duncan is sort of doing it with his comment spamming, but that technique is generally viewed as bull shit again by most people in online marketing community since it does not generate any conversions.

  • http://www.ryanmagin.com Ryan

    Really good article I am a big fan of the web video, and I myself am a fulltime videoblogger all mine costs me was a 150 dollar flip camera and Imovie that came standard on my MAC.

    Riders should def embrace web video asa it is here to stay

  • gregrides

    when did adam start writing so much?
    i guess if mcgoo did anything, it was to force thecomeupbmx.net into more than just saying “here’s a video that i didnt watch, check it out after the jump.”

    now the posts should say “heres a rant that i just typed up, added links too and spell checked. You probabley won’t read it.”

  • http://nikpawak.com Nik Pawlak

    You really need to change the styling on the comments, The comment message should have a grey background with black text, and the comment data should have the black with white. Its really poor design from a readability standpoint.

  • adam

    LOL. McGoo didn’t force me to do shit, I just started to realize I might as well write about some of the things that cross my mind day to day.

  • Wild Killiams

    This could easily solved by adding promotion codes at the end of web videos.

  • adam

    Nobody actually uses promotional codes though. Marketing can rarely be broken down to a “we spend 2000 dollars on advertising here and it earned us 4000 dollars in profit” level. That’s kind of a lot to expect from a site like TCU. Bigger companies like Dans DEFINITELY know how many hits/sales they get from TCU though, not sure to what extent other companies really track it.

  • burns

    Correction Adam! it is not just us “older” pros that hate web videos… Take Dakota for instance, he got blown up on web videos but he hates them!! DVD BABYYY!!!!

  • Andy

    promotion codes dont work as track and click though. they do not register conversions and do not transfer properly if a video is emailed around. the most effective and easiest manner to monetarize a site like this is through ad refreshes and social promotion. If a site is getting ten thousand views per day thats good but rather small when you consider how much you could get via a site like digg. Problem is a doubt Adam has the time to game Digg everyday. Also I figure the comeup rents ads space and doesn’t charge based on refreshes.

  • adam

    Haha oh I believe you for sure, but this is a case where there’s definitely a differing opinion between pro’s and their sponsor’s. Also it’s funny that some of the “older pro’s” I mentioned are like 22, haha.

  • adam

    True, the BMX ads are sold on a monthly basis. The non-BMX ads are sold via my ad agency on a CPM basis. Convincing BMX companies to pay based on impressions is a tough sell from what I can tell.

  • PeteyPabs

    agreed. but id still much rather buy a video with 5-6 pro riders bangin video parts then watch 5 of thier web edits unless i really dug them

  • John Henry

    watchin stuff online sucks compared to a big ass TV, thats why people aint tryin to die for an internet video. Good shit with the Original Content, keep it up!

  • Andy

    then feature one top mark ad on post pages that generates refresh revenue and feature the bmx static ads on the main page.

  • http://www.easternbikes.com jon byers

    Leigh usually comes in with a budget.. if it is 3000 i usually tell him to make it happen for 1500.. Leigh is resourceful and knows how work McDonalds for the extra big mac and free coffee. Your estimates are on cue and no matter what …everyone has to face the times that effective mediums for advertising are changing.. and changing fast. Love them or hate them web videos get a quick and (currently) effective bang for the buck. Nice article.

  • http://www.dirtysouthbmx.com Colin

    Good stuff, Adam. First I must say that I feel a bit sad for a filmer only getting $150 for a day’s worth of work. Shame.

    I think the most interesting discussion is about the conversion/ROI from released web videos. I don’t think there is a concrete web-vid-to-dollar-earned ratio that you could measure. Web videos are about developing a brand more than sales. Of course the idea is to increase your brand’s equity, which eventually translates to sales increases, but it’s not a direct translation like it is when one clicks a danscomp ad and funnels through to making a purchase.

    The publishing style for web vids is also pretty sporadic, which I think results in them not having the long-lasting impact like they should. I think there is more to gain from the web-vid, and companies will probably start to mature the whole concept as time goes on.

  • Garrett reeves

    i like web videos. But i love watching a good dvd. True, web videos can make a huge impact but imagine if jakes defgrip edit was put together on a dvd. It would have been even sweeter then it already was. If people started making there web videos at the quality that the famous mutiny web video was made then dvds might really have a run for there money.

  • https://refrase.blogspot.com Chris

    nice one adam. I’m liking these write ups

  • hadrien picard

    a big big thing that a lot of people forget is that 30 000 views doesn’t say there are 30 000 different people who have watched the video.
    It can be 6 000 who have watched it 5 times , which is usually the case.
    Do you really think there is a million guys who have watched fereral in paris? nope.
    Plus there are some programs that you can run all night to clik on some sites or to refresh some pages to pretend the audience id bigger.

    On the other side, when a mag is selling lets say, 30 000 copys, you can trust there are at least 30 000 viewers, because they paid for that, you can count it easily. After that, about 3-5 people read the mag they have not bought. So lets say at the minimum 30 000 + 30 000×3= 120 000.

    It’s a good question to raise because the internet have changed and will change a lot of things, thats why all the magazines are running now a website, but i’m not sure you are the most neutral person to talk about that because, and its totally human, you can be tempted to preach for your church

  • anonymous.

    the internet owns all of us.

  • Oktay

    I totally agree with Adam.

  • Oktay

    I totally agree with Adam..

  • http://myspace.com/tikipirate Pooh Bear

    I still have that Homan poster hangin up at my moms house.

  • adam

    Except that the print run for most BMX magazines is closer to 10,000 than 30,000. Trying to match up Vimeo views to actual viewers seems pointless to me though, since there’s no easy way to compare the actual effectiveness of a print ad vs a web video.

  • INFECTED

    It doesn’t take common sense to NOT get raped, just AIDS.

  • http://www.redendo.com John Dale

    Self promotion makes low budget startups “feasible”. This is why net neutrality is so important…the internet busted the big media monopoly, who are all scrambling to put pandora back in the box (by killing net neutrality).

    More important for a start-up like Curbrider LLC, we should be able to get the word out about products through the Internet at a very low cost, allowing us to employ more people in BMX, and less people in non-BMX media distribution (*coughbonnier*). The Internet video allows a more robust development of various niche markets by requiring less dependency on the NY media gods who would control(ed) the information pipes and printing presses.

    But here’s what I see as the rub – if you have a good product, because the cost of production (and more importantly distribution) of video is so low that the products take on a life of their own. Your customers actually start promoting your good products! This is a thing of beauty!

    I hope others in BMX 1) follow our vision – below – and 2) pay us good karma when the shit clicks in 2012 (my emails to April Mays of the HSA about BMX Freestyle in the Olympics may have done some good! She said that Mat had concerns about how BMX would be represented…if not all disciplines, then no disciplines…I told here we need a foot in the door and not to put the thumb screws on the IOC…sure enough, now we have STREET in the door with park hopefully to follow soon…also see the Mat Hofman Pro Q/A in Ride BMX where I ask Matt a very important, pointed question).

    The Curbrider LLC vision: BMX bicycles are more fun than skiis, more attainable, and do not require snow. Please share in our vision by supporting our company and our product – The Curbrider LLC’s Park Pedal. BMX bicycles will be to family recreation what the fridge is to the kitchen. Eventually, BMX facilities will be the first considered in Parks and Recreation projects…even before baseball, football, and basketball.

    In Marana AZ, I worked with Tom Ellis of Parks and Rec to open the skatepark to BMX two years ago. Since then, the skatepark on average is more populated than the basketball courts, tennis courts, and softball field COMBINED.

    Poeple now don’t have to be rich/privileged to experience the thrill of skiing.

    Now that’s levitation, Holmes.

    Keep this kind of content coming, Adam. We need more visionary leadership to grow BMX and create homes for more riders, most of whom can’t even afford their own health insurance. On a related note, given the rising cost of education, it is up to leaders like you to share your insight and knowledge to address the civil rights issue of our generation – EDUCATION (this is the education/outreach mission of RedEndo BMX).

    MORE PEOPLE RIDING BMX. MORE BMX JOBS. THIS WILL BE MY LEGACY. YOURS, TOO?

    Sincerely,

    John Dale
    RedEndo BMX
    Curbrider LLC

    “It’s crazy, but is it crazy enough?”

  • Tom

    Federal is a good example

  • Phil Hickey

    You’re a good writer. Stick to the point and avoid sarcasm and exaggeration. That’s how you win arguments. Seems you already know that. Was Eastern one of the first to start promoting through online vids ??? Who were some of the first ??? This seems like a paper you wrote for school. Good job, keep em coming.

  • Andi

    My problem with web videos is the information overload: I can still easily name great video parts from 10+ years ago, but I can barely remember a web edit at all. They come and go too quick for me. I’m just getting old I guess…

  • John Henry

    family recreation WTF u talkin bout duder??? your anti-cranks look silly

  • http://hellow fuff

    There is too much on the web… too much of a good thing makes it bland. I have trained my eyes to avoid all ads on ANY site, especially this one. I come here daily but I could not even tell you one ad that sticks out in my head or one company.

    Seems you are really pushing for ad money, I guess rent is due soon – keep on hustlin.

  • http://peg-leg.net peg leg

    Peg Leg as among the first to really utilize web videos and I am not even a big fan of them, I much prefer dvds. I saw that there was a huge potential to reach people on forums and back 4 years ago when we were putting up regular edits. You would see maybe as many bmx web videos in a month as go up in a couple days now. Also back then it was more friends and local crew edits you would see not really company driven content.

    note: a Peg Leg web edit was one of the first things ever posted on the come up back when it was just a blogspot

  • adam

    This is true, I think it was a little John Ludwick edit.

  • —–

    i have never looked at an ad on the come up as intently as i did to the one on the side of the screen for the paragraph about web ads

  • Caio LA

    Really?!?! So, with that toughts, nobody is going to sponsor the competitions anymore. They only put the logo at the ramp surfaces and don’t track conversions. It does not make sense for me.
    It’s not just about conversions, selling stuffs. It’s about branding, make the brand and the products stronger in the people’s memories. Specialy in BMX that most people say that it’s a kind of life style.
    I believe that all the kids will remember the good web video when they enter in a bmx store and see the Eastern products. Luckly, for the people at eastern, the kids are going to buy their stuff.

  • Caio LA

    Another thing is that the magazines always had problems in counting their public. Unfortunately, not all the magazines are sold in the magazine stores, but the anoucer pays for the quantity of magazines that are printed.

    Another advantage of the web video is that you have to pay atention in the brand all the time the video is running. In the magazine you read an article for 20 min, skip the page, see an article, observe the picture, read the informations and skip the page again. About 20 sec, if too much.

    I know that the picture is impacting, but see the awsome trick followed with the detail of the sticker with the brand’s logo is very impacting too.

  • http://www.vinylbmx.com Andrew

    i have to say that midwestbmx.net were also really pushing web edits like crazy, maybe not pushing them to be as huge as they are now, but the web was their primary form of delivery. i just wish there was a better balance between DVDs and web edits. the web is a great advertising tool but i don’t think it has a place for full length stuff. just my opinion though.

  • inch

    nice post-it would be interesting to see how much of the $3000 Eastern spent on producing a webvideo/future DVD promos would produce for profit…i imagine, like adam said, it all depends on Eastern’s (or any other bmx co./crew) propaganda department, and their salemanship (is that a word?).

    Also, I would like to know how much money the come up makes off blogging? I ask because if it can help pay some bills, i may have to start caring more about my blog’s looks rather than my bitches

  • reefer

    adam showin off that big brain, i like it, keep it comein

  • martin

    Chase Hawk is an older pro. omg how puberty the bmx is.

  • anonymous

    ride uk prints 30,000 copies

  • http://www.chrisduncanclothing.com Chris Duncan Clothing

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  • http://www.chrisduncanclothing.com Chris Duncan Clothing

    Much love to BMX business.

  • http://myspace.com/ajwbomber Adam Wilson

    This was an incredible article. If there was some great writing in the magazine world I would definitely subscribe to a few BMX mags again. Web Advertising/Marketing is definitely here to stay, but there will most likely be a resurgence of print media sometime in the future. Nothing feels more legit than holding a magazine in your hand and seeing riders and news on print. Ride took a step in the right direction by aiming for a more high quality feel to their magazine, but maybe it needs to be even more exclusive maybe? That doesn’t seem like the right word, but if the magazine industry could make things more like an interesting book with good design, photography, and writing, more people will actually want to own it rather than browse through it at the bookstore. In turn, the advertising inside them will have to be more complete and informative. To restate what you said earlier, everybody remembers things like the Schwinn Van Homan Ad, but web videos are too ADD for lack of a better word. Even though they are only 3 minutes long we aren’t watching them with full attention like you’d give to a magazine.

  • http://20negative.com Bone

    spell checked, you sure?

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