Sneak Shots Of Sunday’s Wave 3!

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When Jake Seeley showed up today with Stew Johnson to film for a couple days, he was on a new Sunday… and I quickly realized it wasn’t just another Wave 2, it was the new Wave 3. I had been hearing for a while that the Wave 3 came with a waved top tube similar to the Sunday’s famous downtube and sure enough, it does. I took a few shitty camera phone shots, the top of the toptube is basically just like the bottom of the Wave’s downtube (which seems like it hasn’t changed since the Wave2) and the underside of it has a bigger, singular indentation. There are probably some other innovations going on with this frame although I’m not sure what they are yet. Check the other photos after the jump.

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Previously: Jake Seeley and Ben Hucke #something Edit| Jake Seeley Bike Check.| Jake Seeley Curved Wallride Photo.

  • Andrew

    the top is sickkkkkkkk

  • davicho

    maybe many fucking fagget possers will talk alot shit about this frame.
    i like sunday alot,its a thought brand

  • nahhhhhh nahhhhh my nigg

    davicho i wanna shove that wave 3 up your tight hairy white emo ass , tripple dog dare you to comment back, ight my niggg

  • Nate

    Thats one ugly frame.

  • ste

    mad i was just looking at a bike check of the 2nd wave and fort its about time for the 3rd and then press home and boom its there

  • mr wooden

    jim c might be on to something cuz i love my sunday

  • http://BIKEGUIDE Macaroni Sandwich

    You guys are fucking retarded.

    That is all.

  • dan

    i like the color.
    its cool.

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  • blane

    lawl

  • eleventeen

    yes that wishbone is going to break as easy as on the S&M L.T.F frame.

  • http://www.myspace.com/alex1388 Tillman

    i heard these frames were super tough for how light they were. is this true?

  • Nic

    hahaha still hasnt taken the Hannah Montana sticker off yet… fucking kathleen

  • Matthew

    Wave downtube to prevent denting from grinds makes sense.
    Who does top tube grinds?

  • http://deleted Clay sizemore

    sorry but that just looks ugly to me. just my opinion though.

  • http://www.niagarastreet.net orbs

    never a let down.

  • MikeK

    sunday will not be happy mr grandmaison

  • alice glass.

    Take better pictures next time, jackass.

  • MARCJACOBS

    s3 fo life!!!!

  • http://www.sundaybikes.com Jim C

    As always Adam is good at leaking info that he shouldn’t. As most of you know, Sunday is always trying new and inventive ways to improve a BMX bike’s performance. Which is why other companies are heat treating frames, copying our hollow dropouts, doing angled brake mounts and using Black Magic rustproof coating on their parts. There’s stuff we do that we can’t even say because it will get copied. We made a few samples of Funday’s and Wave’s with the waved top tube because the wave downtube has been proven so strong. Why not improve the strength of the whole front end by using a stronger top tube? The current Second Wave and Funday frames are easily the toughest frame we’ve done so far. Jake has only been on this frame for a few days now, so there’s many more months of testing to be done with it. The earliest you might see this would be late spring of 2010. As always Sunday will continue to design and make products that will fit the rider’s needs.
    thanks
    jim c

    PS The wishbone is the same wishbone that has been proven on the Second Wave, Ian Schwartz and Fundays. Basically it works.

  • http://www.sundaybikes.com Jim C

    The answer is simple even when you dent the top tube of your frame it will weaken the whole front end. Simple.

  • FedTom

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  • http://www.staybroke408.blogspot.com 408Dave

    sick design. the hollow drop out doesnt grind very well wit out a hub guard.. aka sunday should design hub guards?? um please.

  • FedTom

    UGLY wave top tube = minus 1 street point
    UGLY wave dowb tube = minus 1 street point
    UGLY giant waved gusset = minus 1 street point
    UGLY wishbone = minus 1 street point
    UGLY WUGLY FUGLY = shaved headtube = minus 100000000 street points
    SHITTY ugly FAT non-functional gimicky chainadjusters made of cheese = minus 18988696988 points

    I give this frame minus 19849839483948348 street points.

    THe verdict: This frame is the UGLIEST FUGLIEST P.O.S in the BMX industry for fat OBESE salty sketchy slow learners because they can’t ride a normal sub 5 pound frame without denting EVERYTHING and breaking it into half.

    OVERKILL, OVERPRICED, UGLIEST PIECE OF SHITE FRAME.

  • chris

    you should be happy with the pictures he took so shut the fuck up

  • http://www.staybroke408.blogspot.com 408Dave

    What you know bout them streets? who the fuck are you to judge, i bet your ass rides a FIT signature frame wit either two pegs none at all and hasnt ever hit a decent rail or stair ledge,
    this shits fuckin legit. sorry if your too much of a little girl to ride somthing other than what everyone else has because your too scared to get made fun of at the skatepark…. pussy

  • ahaha

    Jim C talking crap on adam is ridiculous! You co-sign for the dude countless of tmes!! In reality, you both suck at life

  • gay dude

    is it me or does that look like the underside of a penis?

  • mr. k

    fedtom is a queer, and jim c is the man.

  • bev

    hahaha get rigid!….. or if your not into that, make a documentary on the luc-e grind

  • anus

    jim c. is mad cause his shit got leaked! chillax jim c! you make good shit, so its ok!

  • shit talk

    how can you talk shit on this. adam was was just leaking some pics, and it seems like jim c wasn’t mad, he just said it wasn’t supposed to be out there. and these frames are amazing. if you are that worried about how they look, then just don’t buy it. go buy your fit or kink instead. i like my frames to last, and work. i just go my bachelor’s degree in engineering, and i am proud to run a sunday second wave frame.

  • Nathan

    That thing is pretty sweet, looks like it has removable brake mounts as well considering there is gyro tab holes yet not mounts or cable guides. Looks Sick though, can’t wait to see production models.

  • watergait

    looks like the bottom of my dick aye

  • shaggy

    jim can i have a model d geometry with a wave down tube?

  • Oh You No Nah Nigga

    im sure thats not all you wanna shove up his ass

  • phillip

    oh

  • anus

    if your talking to me im not talking shit on anything.. its just jim c. was bickering about how “adam is good at leaking info he shouldnt”.. what differnce does it make if riders see it now, compared to a few months down the road? its not like when jake seeley goes out and ride people arent gunna notice then… thats just the way it is.. plus then, it gets sunday fans amp’d up and they now know what to expect from sunday in the near future!

  • POP OFF

    yo shut yo mouf with your “street points”
    I bet your bitchass cant even hop up a curb
    now go get some tight jeans and ride your eastern, faggot

  • http://westcoastbmx.blogspot.com west coast bmx

    Sunday is the best thing in BMX right now. It’s the only frame I trust. I’ve seen everything else brake. Jim C knows what he’s doing and has done for a long time.

  • andrewgobbo

    i love how these kinds of product innovations can really show the differences between the types of riders out there
    if you make fun of something like this because you care more about how your bike looks than it actually being strong, long-lasting and awesome, then in my book you are a douchebag
    go ride your slightly lighter and cooler looking frame, with an even LOWer toptube, cause im sure youll learn those tailwhip flyouts just that much faster
    when i think of buying a new frame someday, i cant even think of another brand to consider

  • david

    looks awsome hope tat it will be da strongest frame

  • fact

    ive had my eastern reaper frame for 3 years. runs like a champ till this day. fuck any other

  • Robotron5000

    Saying that other companies copied your angled brake mounts is horse shit and you know it, I know have a problem with Sunday.

  • Jack

    “New Anti-Cum resistant vagina”
    Anti + resistant = cum vacuum?
    Or… I’m trying to imagine the antithesis of cum. It would probably be black and make a woman sterile. Yeah!

  • Jack

    I would like a closer look at this street point tally sheet…

  • Bailey

    who does downtube rinds?

    no one really.

    but when you try tricks you fall and shit bounces out of control.

    and it looks like you can route the brake cable under the top tube all stealthy and what not…

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  • FedTom

    Also the toptube looks like the underside of a penis.

    Sunday = Penis

  • jim c

    stop hating becasue were innovating. everyones biting my shit. i just seen magoooooooooooo beg for a egg to be cracked on his head in a desperate attempt to keep up.

  • http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/dunkdog79/Current%20Projects/?action=view&current=walt_desk.jpg Chris Duncan Clothing

    Odyssey’s , number one jerk off model Lim Celluski’s new reason to buy a new frame
    Keep ridding your same frame from 2007 kids

  • http://cdnll-0.liveleak.com/u/thumbs/2009/Feb/8/347860_680_avatar.jpg boomshit

    fuck robotron. i have been nothing but happy with my ian frame, keep up the good.

    ps you know this is good promotion. what were you expecting? jake is down with adam, so of course this shit will pop up.

  • http://cdnll-0.liveleak.com/u/thumbs/2009/Feb/8/347860_680_avatar.jpg boomshit

    & you’re a fucking idiot. but you know that, so let’s talk about puppies.

  • http://cdnll-0.liveleak.com/u/thumbs/2009/Feb/8/347860_680_avatar.jpg boomshit

    because you are an expert on the undersides of penises.

  • Chris

    I’ve been on a 2nd wave for nearly a year now and it’s been sweet. Every tight jeaned, fashion kid wants a waffer light bike and Sunday! are busting out the strongest and lightest. Yeah it may have a evolved from the plain old double diamond frames but so has BMX and the riders. Fair, if you want something different then go ahead and buy it (like their aint enough out there to suit anyone now) but don’t bitch about it. Don’t like it, don’t have it. JC’s done good.

  • lloyd rides bikes

    it might be ugly . but 3.2 pound scooter size frames are not cool.

    id rather not worry about breaking a frame.

    this shit is baddass . dont hate on it

  • Chris

    Your mum + My cock = shut the fuck up

  • e

    this frame is ugly.perhaps it will prove very strong, and it’s nice to see innovation and more options for us, though it’s still ugly.why deny it when it’s so obvious?
    plus adam just did a pretty big ad for them posting this, so i don’t see why jim c wouldn’t be happy, but i guess they have it figured out between them

  • Chris

    Is it me or is this dude a proper prick. Street points???WTF? You gotta stop playing skate 2 and maybe ride some shit other than you dads cock!

  • Dave

    Session big stair drops or gnarly concrete ledges all day on your light as fuck paper thin tubed frame and see if it still rides the same.

  • Dave

    Who cares if it’s ugly? How ya bike looks doesnt matter unless you sit around the park all day talking shit on parts, frames, companies and riders. Man up.

  • Jim

    First off, Adam needs to get off a computer for a while and dont leak companies shit. If they wanted people to see it, they would do it themselves. They dont want your sorry ass excuse for a website to leak shit.

    Second off. Everyone hating on it and calling it ugly is just a fucking idiot. Its been proven that Sundays are the STRONGEST frames on the market. Sorry that the tubing isnt paper thin and can crack just by looking it at it wrong. Also, everyones probably talking shit because its not a Fit. Now if Rob-o’s fat ass put a wave on the top tube and charged $500 bucks for you, all you morons would be sucking dick to get one.

  • pat

    fat lol at the street police

  • lloyd rides bikes

    word up jim c.

    ive broken 2 fit frames and a mankind.

    because there build out of paper..

    sunday where its at!

  • durrrrrrr

    godddddddd the drama

  • alec

    its not even ugly? all sundays look sweet

  • Chad D

    Jim C is hot

  • Chad D

    NOT

  • me

    Yo sunday you need to put the wave tube on the chain stays. if that would work.

  • I

    if you don’t like it, don’t buy it, it’s simple.

    i personally don’t look at my frame when i’m riding so i don’t know what the fuss is about.

  • Welis

    I thought the wave 2 frames were the shit. Some people think they were ugly, hell i thought the schwartz was one of the best frames out there and thats before you look at the perfect geo it reps. But taking the wave to the TT is a bit silly and OTT ive never seen one of your frames break so whats the point… even if it is style over strength, here im going to agree with the trend whores.

  • blazer

    Innovating?? you mean copying tubing designs that came on rigid mtb “street” forks years before Sunday even existed? siiick.

  • billy

    another gimmick.

  • http://bcbmx.co.uk billy_g

    it dosent stop the frame breaking it stops it from denting, which with waffer thin frames these day is a common occurance. i like the idea, dent resistant while still thin and light. makes a fresh change seeing something abit different that does follow trends either.

  • siemano

    sorry guys, look at wishbone, its Funday’s wishbone not #Wave.

  • http://empirebmx.com/store/images/empire/bmx_empire_logo.gif EMPIRE GUY

    ill get it nex christmas!

  • killface

    if they would just make that damn gusset smaller.

  • kline

    whats the point of making it dent resistant if you have to put dents in it to do it?

  • Justin

    Whenever you normally dent your frame it weakens it by adding more stress, the wave doesn’t do this. Go read the thing on sundays site.

  • D

    if they would just make it a bit weaker i’d buy it.

  • saturday

    don’t like it? don’t buy it.

  • kline

    looks gay is all im saying!

  • Sick

    Dam the Wave 2 is on sale for cheap. Sundays don’t sell. Real Talk.

  • Petit

    I dont give a fuck if it looks “ugly” or if its not “light” as long as the frame lasts me and it wont snap on me, thats why I love Sunday, and I own one to so all you ppl hateing, get a sunday and you’ll see how there well known

  • Danzel LFC

    Another bell end

  • http://www.sundaybikes.com Jim C

    They both have the same wishbone, but Jake is riding a Funday. You can pretty much guess based on the color alone.

  • Hoagie Trice

    It’s REAL, ’94, Rugged Raw. Yeah yo i saw that shit, when i went riding with Jake in Albany. It’s nuts.

  • sergio flores

    Ride a Sunday before even start saying anything about them…Where did you get your critics degree? by watching frames? oh! i almost forgot!! it doesn’t have a handlebar cross bar as a down tube… that is the shit for sure!!! stop following trends like doped sheeps and get what’s best for you!!

  • The Muffin Man

    Holy shit! that frame is soo sick! I’m still riding the original wave and I haven’t had a problem with it! I think I might upgrade to the wave 3 though :)

  • Chris

    Well Jim, you’ve definately filled this message board. People either love it, hate it, love to hate it or hate to love it. I’ll get one when it hit’s these shores. Evolution….nothin stays the same except the love for riding little bikes. If everything stayed as 80′s waffer bikes, bmx would be dead and if we all rode 50 pound tanks we’d all be fucked from hucking it around. Things change and Sunday! is trying it for the best for all bmx’ers.

  • takeit

    i bent my top tube , it all started from a dent 4 inches from my headtube . so i embrace the wave top wave tube.

  • bobbyp

    pretty sure i sell a shit load of sunday stuff at my job. they make good stuff. real-er talk.

  • http://www.niagarastreet.net lee dennis

    so true

  • http://www.sundaybikes.com Jim C

    Thanks I totally appreciate it!

  • abe

    need better pics, interested for sure.

  • http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/dunkdog79/Current%20Projects/?action=view&current=walt_desk.jpg Chris Duncan Clothing

    Chris Duncan Clothing >>>>>LAST
    Fuck tards

  • hmmm

    Shit works. I have a Dehart and a year old Ian and the Dehart has a huge fucking dent in the downtube already.

  • http://wwwattheendoftheroad-schnell.blogspot.com/ schnell

    The stronger the frame the better,if your willing to sacrifice your body by taking the chance that your headtube will explode due to your 3 pound frame than go ahead and get broke. I like riding my Sunday because I know that I can trust it. Even if those Ian fish are pain in the ass to take off It still feels so much more solid than any frame I’ve had since my STA back in like 1998. Cheers.

  • yeah man

    I somehow have managed to dent 3 frames pretty seriously on the TT. No idea how. But still, that shit wave on the TT is f’n ugly. IDK bout that

  • yeah man

    kinda both actually. A dented frame is way more likely to crack because of additional stress on the welds

  • yeah man

    lolz

  • yeah man

    A friend has a Sunday Schwartz that is one of my fav bikes to ride. Not only because of the geometry but because how damn stiff the thing is. I think it might have something to with the Wave? IDK. But man that is nice. Super similar geometry to my frame(Take Time) and a way close setup (just lower bars) and the thing simply pops

  • Tanner

    Function over design. One of many reasons Sunday actually makes good shit. Unlike Fit or S&M or most companies for that matter who’s only goal is to make a frame that is lighter than the one before it, whatever the cost may be. Even if its strength.

  • Tanner

    Hahahaha thats so true man. Those fish stickers were a pain in the dick! But Sunday still kicks ass.

  • capone

    its got a 75 degree head tube finally, you can see adams bike in the background that definately has a 74.5

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    What up Capone ….CDC for life. You’re bigger than jesus and Jim C combined!

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    also listen to Spazz.

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    AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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    shit is fucking ill.

  • siemano

    i know that they have the same wishbone, but here you can clearly see that this is the shorter one

  • topecki

    i have a 2nd wave and looking at that second pic, it looks like the wish bone might be a little shorter. or maybe just a funny angle for the pic

  • Stephen

    *poke smot

  • http://www.myspace.com/alex1388 Tillman

    Spazz is sick

  • slone

    ‘sick’ must live under a planet sized boulder

  • HotPants

    Where can I get the limited edition Chris Duncan Clothing Hotpink Hot pants? I’ve heard they have a wave in the gooch area so you don’t dent your sack when you crotch a rail.

  • today

    love my wave frame

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    coming pretty soon

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    they just came, you missed it!

  • http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/dunkdog79/Current%20Projects/?action=view&current=1911031679.gif Chirs Duncan Clothing

    Can the photos get any shittier…my CDC ads are cleaner than those. FYI the CDC ads suck ass too.

  • http://s303.photobucket.com/albums/nn128/dunkdog79/Current%20Projects/?action=view&current=1911031679.gif Chirs Duncan Clothing

    I love the shit talk on here…Jimmy is gonna fight me like an animal
    !

  • Shifty Cent

    Is Sunday ever going to do a wave down the chainstays? it would make sense to.

  • John

    I ride a 1st generation sunday, thing has held up perfectly to a lot of bad riding on my part. jim is the man!

  • Alaska

    HOE MOE!!!

  • idontreallycarebut

    another shit liverpool fan

  • zw2

    i herd the wave 4 is gunna have a waved head tube

  • CHRIS DUNCAN MUST DIE

    chris duncan is a washed up old man and should just give up on life already, you suck at life. you suck.

  • g

    yeh word , this websites kinda cool buts fags lyk ‘cdc’ make it homo with his pointless comments. adam delete his acount u webiste wil get better street cred.

  • ryun

    well this post and the comentary was the nail in the coffin. I will never visit this fucking sad excuse for a blog again. so bummed on you people and what you do with bmx

  • FedTom

    G from Bikeguide said:

    “I am an absolute believer that “form follows function”. There is so much beauty in nature because the form is absolutely dictated by function and things that work DO look good to the open minded.”

    Yeah. Like a penis? *bustin*

  • tokinpanda

    if you ever listen to anyone discuss the wave’s, the 41 thermal alone makes it great,the wave is designed so if you ever hit the down tube,you only get a little dent on the wave,not a big ass dent like conventional round tubes would so its less stress on the downtube,if you even dent it.Strong frames but not invincible. still riding the 07′

  • FedTom

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  • http://www.sundaybikes.com Jim C

    Ok so since my previous comment is missing, I have to come back on here and discuss the top tube. Jake’s bike is a Funday like you see in the stores today, but it has an experimental top tube. We have to test the prototype stuff before we put it out. Don’t think this will come on every Sunday and it won’t come on any if it doesn’t work or even improve the quality of the product enough. If it costs more and improves the product just a little bit then we won’t even do it. Yes, we have thought about doing Waves on the chainstays, but it is difficult to bend a wave tube. The earliest this stuff might come out will be late spring of 2010. Any more questions about this just email me at jimc@sundaybikes.com.
    thanks,
    jim

  • Josh

    I thought it was dumb at first too, but in reality lots of people manage to dent their TT’s.
    I heard the Bars and forks were going to have it as well??

  • Josh

    And i ride the new wave Vinnie Sammon, Amazing, love sunday!

  • happyharryhardon

    you already have a great idea and frame, like my gran pappy always said, if it aint broke dont fix it.

  • Ihav Abig Coq

    If the wave 4 ever became a reality and they made wave chainstays it would be a killing considering how poopular the lucky or Luc-e grind is right now and how hard it can be to chainstays. And Chris Duncan is a has-been,opinionated loud mouth homosexual moron. He never made it to the big time riding a 20 so he moved on to ride 26 so there would not be a Josh Stricker around to keep on beating his ass up for acting so “crazy” and talking so much shit nobody cared about

  • http://Website Tanner

    Who cares what it looks like? Sunday makes great bikes. Trend whores are the people that buy the bikes just like you or I. So, If I was trying to sell equipment I would give trendies what ever the hell they want. Its called Business. Basic Economics of Supply and Demand. So if you don’t like something, start your own company and don’t cater to the masses. Best of luck. If you feel the need to talk crap to me now that I stated real life facts, please look me up in person instead of being an internet tough guy. Thanks kids.

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  • http://Website connoreffingsmith

    same here bro.

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  • http://Website ReggiesBikeShopToledoOH

    WOW!!.. im late but umm yeah this is awesome…its winter months and last summer i saw no one around here with a sunday …but i wanna get one soon ..this 3rd wave looks TooOO Dank!! just be easy on the bright colors …dont wanna attract the gangbangerhomies now do we? the black is kinda plain and every other color screams “look i got a new bike” …ehh idk looks awesome though good luck jim ur the man and always have been!! [Ridebmx mag 06] that posters still on my wall..lol