Transworld Snowboarding Cover Ad Controversy.

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Let’s talk about the ads in BMX magazines. We all know how they got there. A company bought the space, paid a photographer to shoot 1 or more photos, then paid a designer to assemble the page. And I’m sure most of you are fine with that, myself included. But in the publishing world, advertisers aren’t just paying for that 1 page ad, there’s more to it than that. Check the “featured products” section in the nearest issue of Ride BMX, then check the rest of the magazine to see if the products being showcased are being sold by companies who advertise in that issue. Check out the roadtrip features in any magazine; are those companies advertising? Is the dude on the cover of the magazine sponsored by a company who advertises? There are exceptions (Garrett Byrnes was on the cover of Ride a few months ago), but the answer to all these questions is usually, yes.

Do you find that offensive? It’s kind of a slippery slope. On one hand, it’s just another way for the magazine to provide value to the companies who supply the ad dollars that allow the publication to exist. On the other hand, it sort of shits on the notion of equality most of us would like to imagine exists in our sport. The idea that a photo of an amazing trick might get passed over in favor of a worse photo that features a rider with the right sponsors, sucks. But anyone who knows a little bit about how the BMX industry works, knows that whoever is forking over money every month can exert a lot of control over content. The same thing happens all the time online too, although often in very different ways because the internet is inherently less monopolistic than print.

Transworld Snowboarding (which you probably already know, is owned by the same publisher as Ride BMX) ran into a gigantic shitstorm recently when the cover of an issue (above) featured an obviously digitally altered Ballpark Franks logo on the cover, which you can only assume Ballpark paid for. Mike Berard wrote up a great feature on the controversy and he asks all the questions that this situation prompts one to ask. I’m not casting judgement on BMX magazines, it’s hard times on all fronts and they have to do what they have to do to survive even if it means putting some of their journalistic integrity in jeopardy. But this is the kind of thing that you should all be aware of and pay attention to since it’s YOUR hard earned dollars that these companies are after. If you don’t like the things that either the advertisers or the publications themselves are doing, vote with your wallet. The integration of advertising and journalism is only going to get worse.

Thanks to Jared Souney for linking me to Mike’s article.

  • happycatbasket

    It’s a decent photoshoop, at least!

  • bob

    its not that much different than putting ads up on the site. except its hot dogs. hot dog companies should gtfo of bmx. and bring mike spinner with them

  • http://safloveguns.blogspot.com Alex

    the worst thing about this is that the rider shown in the picture (Laurent Nicolas Paquin AKA LNP) would never ride for a company like that, nor do i think anyone on rome would. So i would feel that the worst thing about these kinds of pictures is that they falsely represent the rider.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/7326848@N07/ awesome

    this is a touchy subject. A company can pay for advertisements/coverage through many magazines (in this case, a publishing company like Transworld). The publishing company should have final say on the the cover image. So Transworld allowed the Ballpark logo to be added to the cover in order to gain something (ad space or exposure). I guess Transworld is either asking for money from Ballpark, or hoping to get advertising options in later issues. I do not know if Ballpark sponsors snowboarders like they do with BMX riders, but if they do, they are just adding to their coverage via this magazine. Adding to the cover image could have been done for many reasons. A company like Transworld may be looking for advertising money to sustain itself or just adding to it’s cliental, or both. I think that Transworld was offered some money, took the deal, added the logo to the cover and embraced a new advertising sponsorship. Good for them. I hope Transworld continues producing stellar magazines with this new/possible partner.

  • Some dude.

    As long as people remember that it’s advertising and not brainwashing i’m okay with it. The trouble is that the large majority of the kids reading these mags ARE being brainwashed into mindless consumers.

    Let’s see how many of them head off to fill their mouths with as many weiners as they can.

  • Captain Obvious

    When buy a magazine i want it to be just that, a magazine not a catalog.

  • b

    It’s very different because the logo wasn’t actually there when the photo was shot. Also, the argument is not about the type of company that’s being advertised.

  • Some dude.

    If it’s about authenticity then who cares? The trick is legit. The ad isn’t. We all know things can be added in. At this point as long as we know it was landed then what’s there to care about?

    If the arguement is about changing photos in post production and yet the trick/obstacle has been untouched, what’s the point of arguing?

  • joe

    well the advertising worked very well, everones talking about it.

  • Frank Nitty

    I dun get it
    Ballpark need to shove some dem franks up day ass

  • Frank Nitty

    I hear mike spinner had to deep throat ballparks jumbo dog to get some stickers for his bike

  • vincenwc

    It just sucks for the dude who is killing it on the cover.. Might as well just photoshoped the dumpster full of hot dogs, at least it would look better!

  • mohambmx

    anyone else notice that ride BMX has a ballpark thing just a few pages in there magizine that has a “on the grill” qna with a pro? the page is even just a BIT thicker than every other one so your kinda forced to notice it more.

    im not a fan.

  • TOM HOWARD

    no homo, right?

  • Glenn

    the thing that bothers me is that they try to sneak it into the scene. made it look like it was already there. they might as well of just put it in bold letters all the way across the center, at least then they would have been being honest about their lack of integrity.

  • use ur brain adam22!!!

    You should think about your arguments before saying shit like that, youve had the come up in mags before and when the fuck have you ever advertised!! It is a bit true but come on you should know better than that!!!!

  • FACT

    BMX companies are banned from Ride magazine if they don’t advertise. Sucks, but I’m sure that kind of shit happens on this site too. When money talks, integrity walks. BMX is a whore. It’s sad.

  • sean

    this is nothing new and should be a surprise to no one. this has been happening since the day sponsors started giving tshirts and stickers to riders. once the door is open to large corporate money/sponsors, the “integrity” of the way the sport (any sport) is covered by the media should be either in question, or disregarded as the way business has to be done for the “mainstream” industry to survive. You wan the Dew Tour and your time on NBC, ESPN and a to be included in prime time during the xgames? This is the price. Where the problem begin is when the small advertisers, usually specific to the industry, get shit on, cast aside and generally ignored. Why dump endless ad dollars into a bottomless pit if none of your riders are repping slimjims and even have a remote shot get coverage? Snowboarding has chosen its path, bmx mags have sold it out long ago, no one should be surprised or appaled by this, its status quo. The “Action Sports” industry and media sold it self donw the river the moment Matt Hoffman, Steve Swoope etal, decided they had the right to sell the soul of these sports to ESPN in return for “X” amount of dollars.

  • http://wwwattheendoftheroad-schnell.blogspot.com/ schnell

    So every back Issue of Dig with an etnies shoe or a close up of a Primo dirt monster/wall tire is an add for Primo and Etnies? Maybe the set up was a hot dog trailer,what the hell do I know about rome culture or snowboarding?Nothing. I have a problem seeing bike riders who just ride bikes try and plug their products on television,like giving the tumbs up while drinking XXXTREME BERRY Energy Plus Drink. I’d like to thank my bike for holding up on the skatelite surface,oxy pads for clearing up my zits after these sweaty runs,and hanes for keeping my junk together. Fuck off cunt$
    Money’s Flesh.
    Money’s Flesh In Your Hand.
    This Money’s Flesh.
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    When You Pay, Your A Servant.
    You Deserve It.
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    Money’s Easy To Get Out Of Your Flesh.
    Money’s Easy To Get Out Of Your Flesh.
    Flesh Is Easy To Get When You
    Work For Your Money.
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    When You Get Pain:you Deserve It.
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    You Deserve It.

  • whatever

    Adam, I commend you. This is the smartest thing you have ever posted. Applause. Every dollar we spend we are casting a vote to which way the economy moves. Vote with your wallet and put the shit heads out of biz.

  • http://www.niagarastreet.net charlie crum

    has anyone bought ballpark franks because of the ads in ride or transworld snowboarding?

  • MEAT

    so they dont like the ballpark logo so they stat a “shitstorm” about it, giving ballpark way more attention then they paid for??? that should show them… *rolls eyes*

  • underwaterexplosions

    I really don’t see action sports magazines as journalism though. Sorry, Adam. I agree with the guy Donutz in the comments from your link. I detest advertising more than anyone I know, but have come to realize that it is ubiquitous. Not a lot we can do about it. Action sports rely on the next generation (much like tobacco companies) and the magazines are there to nab em. I still don’t feel right about the weiner company having been photoshopped onto a cover and hopefully this kind of bs stops soon, but, much like the Premium ad flicking under this as I type, it’s all about the money.

  • adam

    Maybe you should read the article, where he offers proo that the logo was super-imposed.

  • whatever

    i dont buy dig because of their annoying ass captions that are always fucking long as hell and having something to do with religion being dumb. Fuck DIG, i am not going to buy them just because they USE to be great journalism.

  • b

    ^ read the feature by mike berard and then you might see why it matters

  • sheaf view

    an example I heard of was that the 100th issue of ride uk was ‘promised to seventies’. This sort if situation sucks. It affects your perception of ‘earning a cover’, and your perception of what is good and new in the industry if the riders, spots and tricks are all being featured because of the money behind them.

  • http://wwwattheendoftheroad-schnell.blogspot.com/ schnell

    I did, Ride used to run photos of Ben Snowden with his bike placed on ledges and rails. These things happen. No one is going to turn down a ballpark franks paycheck,people blabber about integrity,this ain’t the MLB or NFL its just kids on skateboards,bikes,snowboards whatever doing whatever it takes not to work a 9-5,8-12 desk job like some of us. If it makes you look like a complete ballbag on television with zero personality then so be it,im still not gonna go out and buy a 64oz Monster Energy Drink,Shit like this is needed for the hobbies and lifestyles we spent so long enjoying to continue to expand and get a whole new generation of kids who can’t peg stall but can flair into the mediaspot light and keep the energy drink market in full check,so all of us now “old heads” in the 23+ club can sit back with our paychecks from mind numbing bullshit busy work just to have a fucking smile on my face when i hit my local curb cut on my day off. Action sports need to loose the sports title and just become a lifestyle for dudes who don’t want to 100% grow up again,not disney world with footjams.

  • g

    yeah adam, only say what other people in the media want to hear.

  • g

    ok let’s all get together and come to a decision to ignore it then.

    can you see that the fect that you have commented on it in this way is a little bit ironic?

  • satan

    The article mentions the same thing, which is again pointless. Anyone who reads these magazines should know that they’re not credible. One read of their product reviews and it’s out the window to me.

  • g

    they must be crying themselves to sleep over at dig.

  • Joe J

    Are you serious? You are actually comparing a shitty photoshopped logo on a snowboard magazine cover to the cover choices of BMX magazines? Wow. For someone who has milked magazines for coverage with obviously zero dollars spent, that’s a good one. How many covers has Sean Burns gotten on every magazine? And he rides for the poorest, least advertising company out there, Metal. Have they ever run ads? I think he’s even had two Ride covers in the past few years. I could be wrong though; I’m not keeping tally of who’s on what cover. Doesn’t that new Dig have Mickey Marshall on the cover? I think he rides for FBM and Orchid; I’m pretty sure I haven’t seen an ad for them in a magazine in years.
    You should just put up web videos and keep poor opinions to yourself; you’re just making yourself look unintelligent.
    Not to mention people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones…

  • satan

    Some people need to lay off the media and remember this should be fun, if you’re trying to “earn the cover” something is wrong with you.

  • wiser than thou

    adam22 doesnt have opinions, remember? he doesnt believe in anything. what a joke. but, when you are single handedly killing print by posting everything from every company (wether they want you to or not) i guess you have all the right to bitch about magazines. yes, that was sarcasm.

  • Joe J

    I’m not saying all magazines make “pure” choices, they probably gotta help out the advertisers in some way at some point. That’s how all the world works. But to say that all magazines covers are decided that way; well that’s pretty dumb.
    Transworld Snowboarding sucks anyway…

  • abe

    this kind of stuff is only going to grow. think about it, when was the last time you bought a ride bmx magazine.. for me, its been a couple years. all the content in it is old, and video is the way to go nowadays. online news, web vids, blogs, thats the new “magazine”. transworld is hard for cash because we all come to the come up and other various sites to see whats up in the bmx world… who needs a magazine anymore? we shouldnt be surprised!

  • http://www.jeffwescott.blogspot.com wescott

    i didnt read adam22′s gay ass schpheel or any of these other comments but its funny how everyone gives a fuck about a ballpark sticker on a dumpster…

  • adam

    If a 20 something year old dude who started a Blogger account can “single handedly” kill print in 3 years, me thinks print didn’t deserve to live anyway.

    But of course, I didn’t kill print. Print is dying because it’s outdated, because there are more choices for people to get their news and because it’s harder to make money when advertisers have many different advertising opportunities, many of which are probably more effective than print.

  • adam

    It’s obvious you didn’t read anything here since if you did, you’d realize that there wasn’t a sticker on the dumpster and that’s the point.

  • smart guy

    you are an idiot. print is what made bmx what it is. it’s the anticipation that made it fun. it’s like seeing your favorite band. you wait and wait and when it happens you are more stoked than anything. print has become less important and it’s really fucking sad. what about all the photographers that would be making money for print ad’s. what about the riders getting contingincy money from thier sponsers. is anything you do halfway fair to them? no. all you need to do your “job” (if you even want to call it that you lazy sack of shit) is a laptop and an internet connection. people drop tons of cash on photography equipment, people break themselves for getting a good photo for a mag, and you take it all away just so you can make a quick buck. sorry man but it’s you and people like you that make bmx shittier every waking moment.

  • adam

    Actually, my website makes 20,000+ people every day who love BMX, very very happy (I know, they tell me). I remember the anticipation of a magazine coming in the mail when I was a kid and it was awesome. Those days are over. I know, because I ride with 15 and 16 year old kids all the time who absolutely don’t care about magazines, but absolutely watch every single edit I post on here. What I do isn’t selfish, it’s smart. The internet is how information is spread these days, and while print certainly has something to offer it’s their responsibility to keep up, not my responsibility to slow down.

    Your argument is most noticeably laughable due to the fact that EVERY BMX magazine has a website that does what The Come Up does, but worse.

  • sun

    i love it when thick people tell others to ‘use their brain’.

  • smart guy

    wow… people are right. you are a self centered prick. it seems like you have a bit of a god complex mr22. A) we all know that you dont ride. B) we all know that you kiss ass for everything you have. kids dont care about magazines because YOU feel the need to steal everything from every bmx website and post it on yours. what about companies that want nothing to do with the negativity and general bullshit your site brings? do you exclude them? hell no you dont. you’ll post everything you can with permission or not just so people will come to your site. oh, and the fact that you hangout with 15 and 16 year olds is pretty pathetic.

  • adam

    If you ride BMX, you hang out with 16 year olds, it’s inevitable. You are a cute little jealous hater and I like reading your ridiculous insults. It’s clear that you have never had any actual life experience and don’t understand how the world works. I look forward to seeing you in person one day so you can say absolutely nothing to me because you have no spine. Good day!

  • Brains

    Egos have never made anyone happy, and the one on this site is horrible.
    Ride’s site shits on this one. Fat Tony actually does work for it….

  • adam

    I think Ride do a good job for the most part. Obviously putting together all the original videos, photos etc from contests takes a lot of time and effort and money. But check the view count on any video that both sites post… the people have spoken.

  • smart guy

    yes, i ride, no i dont hangout with 16 year olds. i have a lot more life experience that you ever will, and i know quite well how the world works. sorry that unlike you, i have a concious and dont like the feeling of knowing that i fuck people over for a dollar. i hope you can sleep good at night knowing that you suck the life out of bmx with your negativity, drama, and attitude. i also enjoy reading your responses to what i say. it’s funny how you cant take being slammed with intelligent answers to the bullshit your stir up for yourself. and it’s also quite funny that you seem to be an internet tough guy. you really are a walking, talking, typing joke.

  • wow

    adam doesn’t fuck around

  • Sixtiesrider

    Truth is: should have not been photoshoped. If the rider put it a sticker on the dumpster = ok. Any rider that gets the cover would be pissed if bengay photoshoped a sticker on it. If this type of advertisement fly’s who know how far it COULD go.

  • wow

    smart guy? TOUGH GUY

  • picky

    totally agreed.

  • adam

    Ride’s videos, just like any other site’s videos, have a button that says “embed” you might have noticed. If I was actually stealing anything, I’d have websites asking me to stop embedding their projects. In reality, those websites often thank me for driving so much traffic to their sites. And even if they didn’t appreciate it, fuck it, that’s their problem not mine and if they want to prohibit embedding they can do it and I wouldn’t give a shit.

  • adam

    Also I just realized I just accidentally replied to this “smart guy” retard again.

  • brains

    You just bashed Ride a few replies ago, and now you’re trying to compliment them; quit while you are behind. You do aren’t doing anything groundbreaking or positive for bmx; in fact you are not even creating any content for your site that people watch; you just take from other sources. Get over yourself…

  • adam

    Once a video is up on a site like Youtube or Vimeo, it’s not their choice where it get embedded or linked to. Usually if someone asks me to remove something I’ll comply, but other times my response is simply “sue me” or “tell it to my lawyer”. If someone doesn’t want their video getting linked to on The Come Up, they shouldn’t have put it online.

  • adam

    Is that you, Greg? Uh oh, here comes the ban bus.

  • smart guy

    greg who? my name is actually chris and i live in new mexico. i just think that you are a thieving piece of shit. “If someone doesn’t want their video getting linked to on The Come Up, they shouldn’t have put it online.”. who died and left you the rights to the internet?

  • adam

    That’s just how it is. If the person in question had any argument, they could take me to court, but they don’t have a leg to stand on, so they won’t.

  • smart guy

    p.s. i’m suprised that someone that talks so much shit cant handle it when it comes back to him in an intelligent manner. i could easily say “you suck dick, fuck you” but i’d rather get some insight as to how much of a thief you really are.

  • adam

    Where are you getting the idea that I “can’t handle it”? I’m making you look like more and more of an idiot with every response I provide. You’re actually pretty lucky, normally I wouldn’t bother responding to such childish allegations but I guess you got me on a good day.

  • smart guy

    there you go, trying to be tough on the internet again. please, quit it with the front you put on and be logical. hopefully someone smart will sue you and then maybe you’ll come to your senses.

  • adam

    Nothing tough here… the total opposite, if someone has a problem with something I’m doing, they can handle it the mature way, in a court of law. They won’t, because they would lose.

  • adam

    And just for the record we are talking about situations that have come up 3 times. I have made over 12,000 blog posts since The Come Up started. I think everyone’s pretty alright with everything all things considered.

  • smart guy

    i mean YOU CANT HANDLE IT. you tried to ban me because you cant take having someone tell it how it really is. when you put it to black and white, you are the one in the wrong. when someone says something you dont like, you ban them or delete thier post so it doesnt make you look bad. come on, why dont you just be a man about it instead of some scared little child behind a keyboard. admitting you steal shit from sites and people that want nothing to do with your site (and i’m not talking about everyone… some people ask to have thier content posted on here and thats fine) isnt that hard. get over your internet bully persona and just be a real person.

  • smart guy

    pretty big words for such a small minded individual.

  • adam

    I deleted some of your posts because I think you’re someone I’ve already banned for other reasons. I am not admitting I steal shit, because I don’t, there have been a couple of occasions in which I posted things that other people weren’t okay with me posting and in almost all of those situations I respectfully removed the content. There has been 1 or 2 situations where I told the person to fuck themself. Anyway I have a plan for you that I think will allow you to stop wasting so much time racking up page views for me at 3 PM on a Monday afternoon:

    1) Find something you are interested in or passionate about.

    2) Find a way to provide a service that is in demand, that people want.

    3) Put that idea into effect, figure out a way to monetize it, quit your job operating the deep fryer at KFC and start enjoying your life more

    At this point you will probably be pretty busy and won’t have time to spend commenting up a storm anonymously on my website, but trust me, you’ll be much happier as a result.

  • smart guy

    and all this is coming from someone who is sitting on thier ass just like me. it’s nothing new to know that you steal tons of shit, so there’s no getting around that. how do you know that it’s not hot out here and i have the day off? i could just be waiting for the sun to go down so i can actually ride my bike and not blog about it. how do you know that i dont have a really good paying job? this just goes to show that you dont know shit and think that you are god’s gift to bmx. please, like i said earlier. get over yourself.

  • smart guy

    yet another ban. nothing says “pussy” like banning someone because they say something that you cant handle. who are you to say that it’s not hot here and i have the day off? who are you to say that i dont have a good paying job? what if i’m waiting for it to cool off out here so i can actually ride my bike instead of blogging about it? like i said before, please get over yourself. your cocky, pretentious attitude just makes you look more like a piece of shit than you already are.

  • smart guy

    damn i thought i got banned again. you really are pro at the internet. this is dripping with sarcasm.

  • MEAT

    and then there’s the “fect” that you commented on a comment about something that should just be ignored altogether….. you’re right, you’re the bigger person here*

  • g

    not sure what your point is now. you’re giving ballpark yet more attention, and my comment about ignoring it was sarcastic.

    if you’re going to be picky, let’s ‘stat’ a fight about it, or don(‘)t you want to?

  • MEAT

    my point is that you just put yourself on the same level as me with your hypocrisy. this is laughable really, we could do this all day.

    well played with the grammar comeback though :)

  • abe

    what the fuck is all this rubbish argueing… come up isnt stealing anything.. if they were then digg, google, everyone would be stealing. if you dont want your vid to pop up on the comeup, dont make one, or make it so shitty that nobody will post it here… thats why i dont make a webvid, cus i dont want it to end up here, where all the little faggots will talk shit even if its good. ps: magazines are dead, end of story, get over it.

  • MEAT

    exactly, if a video is posted on youtube or vimeo, its public. magazines are dead because the internet exists. adam didnt invent the internet, he just got reeealy lucky in capitalizing from it.

  • killted

    is it gay if you smoke weed out of a frozen ballpark frank?

  • Smiling Politely

    Yes Adam, you’re right about the Ballpark photoshop being really sketch. I agree with you. You also should have a look at how you make money though ( Taking things other people made and using them to attract advertisers), because that’s pretty fucking sheisty as well. I don’t really understand your argument that since it’s the internet it makes it ok… why should ideals fly out the window online? As for what you said about companies that could sue you if they didn’t like it, but would lose…no one can successfully sue Transworld for shopping the ballpark logo either, now could they? Not being able to win a lawsuit against something doesn’t make it right or ethical.

  • abe

    hes not taking things you fucking idiot. why cant you kids get that through your heads. hes simply posting everything embedable in one convenient place and providing a central place to watch and discuss them… if thats stealing you better start your lawsuit against 90% of the internet.

  • Smiling Politely

    So he’s posting things other people made and making advertising money off it. Big difference. Not sure why you would say “if thats stealing you better start your lawsuit against 90% of the internet” in response to “Not being able to win a lawsuit against something doesn’t make it right or ethical.” (You fucking idiot)

  • MEAT

    hes not even making money from the things that other people made. hes making money from the hits that the page generates. meaning, you being here pays him….

  • Smiling Politely

    Hes making money from the hits that the site gets because he posts everyone else’s material on here. And you’re right, the real way to voice my opinion on this to keep silent… oh wait that doesn’t make sense. I’d rather make advertisers pay him(negligible amounts) to point out his contradictions and voice my distaste for what hes doing than to not say anything.

  • smart guy

    it’s nice to see that there are people out there that arent ignorant and see things for what they are worth. this site could (in theory) could be a great thing to keep bmx alive but with people like adam22 running it it’s a money machine taking everything it can from bmx and putting it all into this guy’s pocket. what if someone put a video on the internet for the purpose of embedding it on thier own webpage and didnt want it on the come up? does that mean they should have to sit on thier video and not post it? thats not fair. please think before you type. the need to post every company’s news isnt taking things? if it’s a company that supports him and asks him to use thier content, thats fine. but there are companies out there that i’m sure dont want anything to do with this site and thier stuff still ends up on here. how is that fair to them? taking without asking is STEALING. this isnt kindergarten.

  • MEAT

    i still don’t see what your problem is. with your logic, every newspaper and magazine is sheisty because the reporters didn’t actually do the things that they are reporting on. people post their web videos in public places with public access so that it will get seen. looking at it a different way, he actually helps a lot of people get a small amount of exposure that they couldn’t have gotten on their own…for free. exposure that might actually make them money later down the road under the right circumstances. really with the traffic that this site generates people should be paying him to post their web videos. hes only taking money from bigger companies, not from the kids. adam has never taken a cent from you personally , you really sound extremely jealous.

  • http://linerider.com hot dogs R made from lips and assholes

    This isn’t kindergarten, it’s more like high school.

  • MEAT

    “what if someone put a video on the internet for the purpose of embedding it on thier own webpage and didnt want it on the come up?”
    i believe adam already answered this above. there are easy ways around this.

    “the need to post every company’s news isnt taking things?”
    no, because its NEWS. they want people to hear it.

    “but there are companies out there that i’m sure dont want anything to do with this site and thier stuff still ends up on here”
    thats really just your speculation. its free exposure, what company wouldn’t want that?

    “taking without asking is STEALING”
    agreed. but its not taking if its up for grabs in public space.

  • adam

    No company has ever asked me to not post their news. If that did happen, I would consider the situation, but it’s never happened.

    Sites like Vimeo and Youtube both have options to prohibit embedding.

    Your argument is now demolished, please go home and kill yourself.

  • aidz

    Join the military next?

  • smart guy

    wether you like it or not there are companies that dont give a shit about your site due to your attitude.

    “the need to post every company’s news isnt taking things?”
    “no, because its NEWS. they want people to hear it.”
    yeah… ON THIER SITE DUMBASS.

    “taking without asking is STEALING”
    “agreed. but its not taking if its up for grabs in public space.”
    so if your bike is chilling outside of a store it’s ok for me to take it? it’s up for grabs in a public place. YOU ARE STUPID.

    what if people dont know how to block embedding? what if they just want to get it up so they can send it to where they want it? it’s still ok for you to steal it and use it for your own gain? fuck that. thats way wrong and anyone with an honest bone in thier body knows that.

  • adam

    You… are so stupid… that it blows me away. Those companies want their news on the site. Nobody has ever asked for their news not to be on this site. Ever. You are making up a complaint. Everyone on earth is smarter than you.

  • smart guy

    has it ever occured to you that maybe people think you are such an unreasonable asshole that they just dont want to deal with you and your shit? they might not want the content of thier site on yours but with your “i own the internet” attitude they just choose to not deal with you. sorry, but it’s not a hard concept to grasp. you are so full of yourself that you cant understand rational concepts like right and wrong. this arguement was over before you even started typing. the more you respond the more you make yourself look like an arrogant, self involved piece of shit. i’m nobody special but you are the main representative of this site and with the way you act it’s only a matter of time before everyone gets fed up with your shit.

  • adam

    HAHAHAHAHAHA.

    Wait.

    HAHAHAHAH.

    Okay I’m almost done, just let me get one more in:

    LOL.

    There, that felt good. Fuck, so fucking good.

  • smart guy

    yes, your attitude and general outlook is quite funny. i personally like the fact that you think you are the king of the internet and nothing can touch you. your life is a parade of delusion. i almost feel bad for you, but then my senses kick in and i wonder… why would i ever feel bad for a worthless piece of shit like you?

  • Smiling Politely

    Umm, no. Of course they didn’t do the fucking things they’re reporting on. They write the reports. It’s called journalism, thats what they contribute. It’s not like that at all. I don’t see how you think I’m jealous of Adam, why the fuck would I be? I’m making my way towards being a pro photographer, I’m pretty sure I have no desire to copy and paste for money. Guess what, Ballpark has never taken a cent from me or probably Adam or most of the people posting here. So by your logic we shouldn’t be upset about what they did.

    I like how Adam ignores my arguments and decides to reply numerous times to someone who is easier to argue against, right below my posts.

  • jon

    Ballpark wins!!!!!!!!!!! you all are talking and thinking about ballpark hotdogs. so go put some front brakes on your bikes and learn some shit. Meat has them

  • Meat

    “yeah… ON THIER SITE DUMBASS”
    whats the difference? what company would choose to have their news seen by a couple hundred over hundreds of thousands? there is no loss in revenue for the company if their news is read on TCU vs. their own site. they benefit more from their news being pushed to more people. who is this fictional company that hates free publicity so much? you really have no idea what you’re talking about.

    “so if your bike is chilling outside of a store it’s ok for me to take it? it’s up for grabs in a public place. YOU ARE STUPID.”
    this is a horrible analogy. my bike sitting outside a store is most certainly not up for grabs, or in a public place for that matter. stores are private, and i wouldn’t be placing my bike there with the intent of someone taking it. if i put my bike outside on the sidewalk (inside a public right of way) with a “free” sign on it, then it would be up for grabs in a public space. i really dont get why you cant understand that youtube and vimeo are public and people put their videos there with the intent of other people watching it. they want people to watch their videos, thats why they post it in a public place. this concept really cant be explained to you in a simpler way. who is this fictional person that takes all the time and effort to make a bike video, posts it in a place for other people to watch it, then gets mad when people actually watch it? again, your making shit up for arguments sake. name one person that fits into this hypothetical situation.

    “what if people dont know how to block embedding? what if they just want to get it up so they can send it to where they want it? it’s still ok for you to steal it and use it for your own gain? fuck that. thats way wrong and anyone with an honest bone in thier body knows that.”
    this isnt even a valid argument. its not adams fault if someone cant figure out how to check a checkbox. if something is that important to them, they should read the instructions a little more carefully. the fact that you dont know any of this tells me that you have never actually tried to post a video before and that you truly have no idea what your talking about. again, who is this fictional person that has been personally harmed by too many people watching their “watch me”video? name one person.

    adam has reality, facts, common sense, and the law on his side. what do you have? a skewed sense of reality, a complete lack of understanding of how business, the internet, and the world works, and a handful of hypothetical situations that have never happened and most likely will never happen. there is nothing illegal or immoral going on here. adam has already said that no one has ever asked him NOT to post their news. if you really feel this strongly about this site, you have the free will to never come here again. try it, you cant. you’re addicted to this site just like the rest of us.

  • Jared Chilko

    dis is da real dog

  • James Dean

    lmfao Adam is the tits everyone can s my d people who agree and people who don’t the comeup is the only site i use on the net and i havn’t bought ride in 3 yrs everything one site adam is legit every single other person is a faggafidefaggot

  • smart guy

    “and the law on his side”

    i’m sure there have been plenty of times that adam could have been sued for copyright infringement. therefore, no… he doesnt have the law on his side. i’m not addicted to this site in the slightest. i barely ever check it but this post seemed a little fucked up. the only reason adam thinks he owns the internet and can do whatever he wants is because of little brown-nosers like yourself. you more than likely fall into the category of kids that prolly havent been in bmx for that long and are too lazy to read magazines, or check other websites that arent the come up.

  • Meat

    “i’m sure there have been plenty of times that adam could have been sued for copyright infringement.”
    list one.

  • smart guy

    ANYTIME HE USES SOMETHING THAT ISNT HIS OR HE DOES NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO USE. honestly, are you really that dense? it’s not a difficult concept to understand.

  • Meat

    just list one. you cant.

  • smart guy

    i remember seeing some photos of that timmy theus dude on flickr and they were used on here. photos on flickr are copyrighted by the photographer through yahoo. if the photographer wanted to, he could go after adam for using his images. now not only is that copyright infringement but it’s also being seen on a website that produces money for the said owner, in which you can get really fucked for. if you use a copyrighted image you can get fucked BUT if you use a copyrighted image and are making money off of it, you put the nail in your own coffin. dont make me drop more knowledge on you.

  • killted

    i dont know if this has been said but adam usually links the site he gets the info from more times then not so he is directing traffic to ther site and doing them a favor also

  • Meat

    its illegal if he sells the photos. he sells ad space, not photos. he links to the original authors site and gives them full credit. this site isn’t any different than any other news blog site on the internet.

    you can test this yourself. take some photos, post them in a pubic view mode on flckr, wait for adam to use them, then try and sue him yourself. you won’t win, because its not illegal.

    multiple people have shut you down all day long. you haven’t been able to prove even one point in all your ramblings. I’m over this, put your money where your mouth is and sue him yourself or STFU.

  • smart guy

    read what you just wrote and tell me how thats not asanine. as a matter of fact on the timmy theus photos there was no link to the flickr page OR credit to the photographer. you are yet again INCORRECT! nice try though.

  • http://betabmx.com Caio Andrade

    Have you tried to read the Vimeo’s Terms and Conditions?!?! Why do you think the new Mutiny trailer wasn’t put there? It’s the law, it’s the contract for using Vimeo…

  • http://betabmx.com Caio Andrade

    I’d like to have Adam linking something to my site. By the way, I’m from Brazil and he was one of the persons that helped me to get my own thing done, with tips and his attention commenting about his own work…

  • codie larsen

    i say who gives a shit?
    hhahahaha

  • jayrow

    Attention and reputation are the two “currencies” of the internet. Adam has built a site that has amassed stockpiles of both of these. TCU is a popular site that is understood to have links to great content. Through advertising, he’s found a way to monetize the attention and reputation that he has built.

    Advertisers are probably happier spending their dollars here. BMX print media targets buyers arguably as well as this site but advertising on the internet is cheaper. The cost per thousand eyeballs is just way cheaper when it is through a computer screen.

    As for getting crusty about Adam “stealing” the content of others and riding their hard work… it’s garbage. Each creator of content understands the world we live in. It’s no secret to anyone that when the cost of reproducing your content is nothing, it will be traded freely, for free, by anyone that wants to share it. The people that make these web edits are benefiting from the attention and reputation of TCU and leveraging it to create their own online currency.

  • http://a0.vox.com/6a00c2252109788e1d00d10a7ae8f88bfa-320pi grammar police

    it isnt even noticible who cares its not a giant nike check from ms paint. brb buying hot dogs

  • JOHN

    You guys all need to come down from your high horses and take off your white wigs… Seriously, it’s an ad. If anything, we should be thanking these major companies. Lets be reminded of what is going on here. Wikipedia defines marketing “is an integrated communications-based process through which individuals and communities discover that existing and newly-identified needs and wants may be satisfied by the products and services of others”. Loosely defined, the purpose of marketing is to be the foremore though on the consumers’ mind when buying a product of it’s nature. Does anyone here in the BMX/Skateboard/Snowboard community go to the grocery store, walk to the meat department (N/H) and look at all of the hot dogs and think, “wow how about a ballpark frank.. I remember seeing an add that sounds good.” I certainly hope not, therefore Ballpark Frank made a pretty terrible decision in their marketing department. Gentlemen come on, these ‘corporations’ are floating BMX riders revenue to keep the sport going and continue keeping bmx from 9-5 jobs (like Adam said). If anything, we should be patting them ont he back and saying thank you.

    Did anyone think of the possiblity that because Ballpark Franks sponsors events like Mountain Dew tour they want to remain in the market to explore potential. It was mentioned above so many people on here want to remain in the major market, yet you don’t want the major players involved. Kids this isn’t your local community cable channel. This is major marketing opportunities for some big players to help televise what we do. Why are their commercials between the tv coverage? Money. I hate to break it to some of the naive kids on here, but money is what makes this world work. For those who still live at their parents and want to believe otherwise, move out on your own and see how that works out for you.

  • http://wwwattheendoftheroad-schnell.blogspot.com/ schnell

    Drama= web hit$

  • BURT REYNOLDS

    yeah, what he(john) said.

  • Drifter

    its getting a little predictable…back to BMX

  • not ICC

    yes I have, ya see I was doing manual to nowhere 180s one day at the park, and ripped my sisters pants! It was such a crazy bail man, bent my Oakland A’s hat, and scuffed up my Nikes, so it was time to go home. I was limping away from my gnarly ass 180 crash (from 2 feet up!) and I noticed a grumble in my tummy. I looked across the street, and saw a BallPark hotdog vendor, and said to myself “What would Mike Spinner do?” I immmediatly bought a footlong and proceeded to jam it down my throat…mmmmm lips and asshole sticks are so yummy

  • Mommy

    debt is desperation, cross your own moms

  • GeorgeBush

    just like satan to say lay off the media

  • adam

    Are you actually implying that advertising doesn’t work? Ball Park has a LOT of money to throw around, I’m sure at least some of it is spent analyzing where their dollars are best spent. The effects of advertising don’t have to be as simplistic as “I saw a Ballpark logo on the cover of that magazine, so I’m going to go buy some”, and these companies know that.

    Nobody here is arguing that advertising is inherently wrong, but this cover is certainly notable in that it is the first time that we can prove an action sports magazine has essentially sold off ad space on their cover. At the very least it is worthy of discussion.

  • JOHN

    I by no means am not implying that advertising doesn’t work… I wouldn’t have received my undergrad in marketing and my MBA in International Business if so, as as for Ball Park having a lot of money, that’s actually false as well (not trying to be a dick, nor undermind anyone on here) but Ball Park is owned by Sara Lee, and if anyone here watches the market you can check for yourself.. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sara-lee-posts-lower-revenue-stock-takes-a-hit-2009-08-12 Sara lee has has a number off as well which I’m sure the R&D had to tighten their belt.

    But as for the topic at hand, obviously they had seen some potential in the market, otherwise they wouldn’t have invested in that advertisement space. I realize that the magazine company ‘sold out’ however they are still floating BMX with revenue which is back to my inital point we still need to pat them on the back.

    If nobody else well, thank you Ball Park. Because of you I can still receive my subscription in the mail and see more interesting photos and stories because your revenue allows photographers to travel to more places and have more interesting things to write about, making my time in the bathroom more enjoyable from better reading material.

  • JOHN

    I by no means am not implying that advertising doesn’t work… I wouldn’t have received my undergrad in marketing and my MBA in International Business if so, as as for Ball Park having a lot of money, that’s actually false as well (not trying to be a dick, nor undermine anyone on here) but Ball Park is owned by Sara Lee, and if anyone here watches the market you can check for yourself.. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sara-lee-posts-lower-revenue-stock-takes-a-hit-2009-08-12
    Sara lee has had a number off as well which I’m sure the R&D had to tighten their belt.

    But as for the topic at hand, obviously they had seen some potential in the market; otherwise they wouldn’t have invested in that advertisement space. I realize that the magazine company ‘sold out’ however they are still floating BMX with revenue, which is back to my initial point we still need to pat them on the back.

    If nobody else well, thank you Ball Park. Because of you I can still receive my subscription in the mail and see more interesting photos and stories because your revenue allows photographers to travel to more places and have more interesting things to write about, making my time in the bathroom more enjoyable from better reading material.

  • http://FAT-TRAX.COM/BLOG1/ FAT-TRAX

    SINCE WERE ON THE SUBJECT OF HOT DOGS. CHECK OUT PAGES 64 AND 65 FOR A PROFILE ON OUR MAIN MAN CHRIS GRENIER.